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PLANNING BOARD
MEETING MINUTES
Tuesday, July 18, 2017
Approved: August 15, 2017
Present: Chair David Blake, and board members Rebecca Schneider, David Tyler, John Wertis,
Sara Worden, and board alternate Benjamin LeWalter; Town Planner Darby Kiley; Town Board
Liaison Rich Goldman.
Public in Attendance: Bryon and Kim Moore.
Call to Order: 7:00 p.m.
Agenda Review; Minutes Review: (06/13/17 and 06/20/2017)
Mr. Blake requested the Planning Board consider a flag -lot request, depending on time.
Mr. Tyler MADE the MOTION to add the flag -lot request to the evening's agenda, and Mr.
Wertis SECONDED the MOTION. The motion was unanimously carried.
Mr. Tyler offered a change to the June 13 meeting minutes.
Mr. Tyler MADE the MOTION to accept the amended June 13, 2017 meeting minutes, and Mr.
Blake SECONDED the MOTION. The motion was carried, 4-0, with Ms. Schneider abstaining
from the vote.
Ms. Schneider MADE the MOTION to accept the June 20, 2017 meeting minutes, and Mr. Blake
SECONDED the MOTION. The motion was unanimously carried.
Privilege of the Floor: No one from the audience addressed the Board at this time.
Sketch/Site Plan and Development District Revision: Consideration of sketch plan/site plan
and development district revision for DD -8 Moore's Outboard Sales and Service referred to the
Planning Board by the Town Board. The applicants would like to revise the current zoning
language to reflect the needs of the business. The property is located at 3052 Dubois Rd; Tax
Parcel Number 32.-2-8.22. Kim and Bryon Moore, owners/applicants.
Ms. Moore — of 3440 Perry City Road — gave a presentation about the business, its history and its
current needs. The business has been in the Moore family for three generations, and, in 2013,
Kim and Bryon purchased it. She highlighted the couple's close ties to the area, their belief in
giving back to the community, and noted their tax contributions as property and business owners.
Having reviewed the Town's Comprehensive Plan to determine how the business fits within
Town goals, Ms. Moore said her business supports tourism, since boating is a notable local
industry. Probably 85 percent of customers are repeat customers; roughly 50 percent come from
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outside of Tompkins County. When the Moore's purchased the property in 2013, they were not
made aware of the Development District terms. It was only last year, when the business
expanded its parking lot and fielded a complaint, that they were informed they were out of
compliance in two areas. The applicants have requested several changes to the Development
District terms, including increasing the number of allowable stored boats from five. The Moore's
said the business needs to store more boats in order to remain viable. Plus, there is a need for
boat storage in the area now that other local storage businesses are either in the process of
changing hands or closing up entirely. When the Moore's expanded their storage lot area, they
removed several dead pear trees on their property. A neighboring house sits on an unusually
shaped parcel. The Moore's own halfway into the front yard of this neighboring parcel. Once the
dead trees were removed and the parking lot expanded, the Moore's planted a row of arborvitae
trees to serve as a visual buffer between the neighboring house and the lot. Ms. Moore said they
would like to remove language from the terms that prohibits them constructing any new
buildings.
At this time, Mr. Tyler — who served as Planning Board chairman in the early 1990s, when the
Moore's Development District was established — provided a history of how the Planning Board
made its decision. In 1991, Mr. Moore's father proposed an application to relocate to the Dubois
Road site, and the Board opted to form a Development District. The thought was the district
would help a locally owned business in Town, even though all of the surrounding properties
were residential. Ms. Schneider said the earlier decision required storm drains on the property be
sealed off, an indication that the potential for pollution was a concern then as it is now. Ms.
Moore said a septic system was installed, and the business has storage containers where oil and
gas waste is stored and eventually picked up and disposed of by another company. Ms. Schneider
stressed that the requested changes are very different from what was initially granted. The
company is expanding to store nearly 100 boats on-site, which is practically light industry; it is
common for marinas to have toxic soils. There are also important natural areas around the
business — a Conservation Zone, unique natural areas, and an MS4 located downslope, all of
which were designated since the 1991 decision. Mr. Tyler said the Town bears some
responsibility for the Development District. The property was originally an orchard and
lawnmower repair shop. At the time, the outboard business was consistent with what was there
before.
Mr. Tyler left the meeting at 7:33 p.m.
In regard to concerns of on-site pollution, Mr. Wertis asked about the amount of work customers
do on their own boats while at Moore's. Mr. Moore said most customers simply clean them. Ms.
Moore added the business is limited on what work can be done outside the building. For
instance, there is no painting or fiberglass work; those activities are contracted out. Moore's
mostly handles the mechanical side — removing shrink wrap, checking fluids and lights and
servicing engines. Ms. Schneider reiterated concerns about the business's proximity to a
permanent stream and sensitive natural areas. The soil type is something the Planning Board
evaluates, she said. She asked about runoff. Mr. Moore said the business does get water runoff
from the driveway but nothing that is excessive. Ms. Moore said they would be fine with any soil
testing on the property. She also explained the business arrangement concerning Moore's: Mr.
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and Ms. Moore own the company — designated as a corporation — and lease the property back to
the business entity.
Mr. Wertis MADE the MOTION to open the sketch plan, and Mr. Blake SECONDED the
MOTION. The motion was unanimously carried.
Ms. Moore provided information on the neighboring property. The applicants planted 12
arborvitae trees in back of the neighboring property to block views of the Moore's boat lot. The
arborvitae are a fast-growing tree but are not deer resistant. Culverts on the Moore parcel are
causing flooding, and some of the land near the southern stream has been lost to erosion, she
said. There have been no other complaints other than from the nearest neighbor. Ms. Moore said
she understands the neighbor's concerns but ultimately the Moore's needed to expand in order to
keep the business running.
Ms. Schneider requested larger -scale maps and topographical maps of the entire parcel. The
maps should show elevations and the nearby stream as well.
Mr. LeWalter asked for clarity concerning the process of boat winterizing. Mr. Moore said
winterizing entails removing boat fluids and shrink-wrapping, which takes place inside the
building. Roughly 10 boats are stored inside. In the summer, at the customer's request, a boat
will be brought out, its shrink wrap removed and batteries reinstalled. They will then start up the
boat motor. In total, it is about a two-hour process, he said. The business hardly handles
antifreeze. Ninety to 95 percent of work is done outside, on the south side of the building, he
said. After a question from Mr. Wertis about possible areas of contamination, Mr. Moore said the
business has a 275 -gallon tank for lube and oil, and gas is located on the backside of the
building. The only disposed gasoline comes from boats that have not been run in five years or so.
The Moore's said they pay a premium for an outside company to dispose of such gas. When
changing out oil, any leaked oil remains in the boat, he said, adding that he has never had a boat
spill out all its oil.
The Moore's have requested changes to language concerning hours of operation, specifically
wording on noise. They would like quiet hours to be from 8 p.m. to 8 a.m. Ms. Moore said they
will not be open on Sundays, and they alter their hours during the off season. Mr. Moore said
they have requested this change because they do not want to feel like they are "boxed in". Motor
noise was briefly discussed. When doing boat maintenance, Mr. Moore said he runs a boat
engine for about three to five minutes. Ms. Kiley offered to work on language concerning noise,
but Ms. Schneider requested further discussion, and the Planning Board continued its
deliberations. Ultimately, after reviewing submitted property maps, Board members requested
further information regarding location of septic and water wells, stream location, parcel
boundaries and Development District boundaries.
The Planning Board then turned to signage. Since Moore's occupies its own Development
District, Ms. Kiley said it is up to the Planning Board to decide how many signs will be
permitted. Ms. Moore said some of the current signs are required under terms with certain
boating -related companies, while others are not. Some of these signs can be moved to the other
side of the building, Mr. Moore added. Asked about any future renovation plans, Mr. and Ms.
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Moore said they would like to renovate the building, add a new roof, and repaint. Mr. Goldman
felt that since the Development District is located inside a residential area, the signage should not
be any larger than what is stipulated in a commercial Business District. Ms. Kiley noted that in
the Town's Business District freestanding signs are limited to no more than 24 square feet, and
facade signs are limited to 64 square feet. Responding to a question from Ms. Schneider, Mr.
Moore said the only gasoline on-site is stored in small containers, like those used to fill a
lawnmower. Ms. Schneider then asked about the potential for any legal challenge if the Town
chose not to act on the complaint, which was filed by the neighboring tenant. Ms. Kiley said the
Town Attorney is involved and that the matter cannot be put off until the winter because there is
a cost to enforcing zoning law.
The Planning Board reached a consensus to leave the sketch plan open and readdress the
Moore's Development District once requested documents have been submitted.
The Moore's left the meeting at 8:50 p.m.
Close Flat Lot
Ms. Kiley said Ms. Close intends to have a house built for her on a parcel that was subdivided
off from her son's lot a year or two ago. The house appears to meet all setbacks. Ms. Close has a
septic permit already, and Ms. Kiley said she did not want to delay house construction. Ms.
Schneider felt she did not have the appropriate materials to make a decision on the proposal
tonight. Ms. Close is a senior trying to build a house, and Ms. Kiley said she did not want to ask
her to hire an engineer. In the past, flag lot reviews by the Planning Board have been relatively
fast. Mr. Wertis felt the Planning Board could vote on the matter if there are no nearby creeks or
unique topographical features.
Mr. Wertis MADE the MOTION to approve the resolution, and Mr. Blake SECONDED the
MOTION as follows:
WHEREAS:
1. This is consideration of Site Plan Approval for a Single -Family Residence on a flag lot located
north and east of 4236 Cold Springs Rd, Tax Parcel Number 20.-3-7.1, R1 -Rural Residence
District; Lorna Close, owner; and
2. On July 18, 2017, the Planning Board has reviewed and accepted as adequate, application
materials including the site plan and other application materials; and
3. The construction of a Single -Family Residence is a Type II action which does not require the
preparation of a determination of significance;
THEREFORE IT IS HEREBY RESOLVED,
1. That the Planning Board of the Town of Ulysses hereby waives certain requirements for Site
Plan Approval, including a public hearing, having determined from the materials presented that
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such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of site plan control nor
the policies enunciated or implied by the Town; and
2. That the Planning Board of the Town of Ulysses hereby grants Site Plan Approval for the
proposed Single -Family Residence on a flag lot, as shown on the application materials.
Ms. Schneider asked if the Planning Board was comfortable voting on a project without
appropriate information on, for example, location of septic, setbacks and buffers. Ms. Kiley
agreed with Mr. Goldman's statement that the person issuing the building permit checks to
assure all setbacks are being met.
Mr. Wertis motioned to call to question.
The vote was as follows:
Mr. Blake
AYE
Mr. LeWalter
AYE
Ms. Schneider
AYE
Mr. Wertis
AYE
Ms. Worden
AYE
Result: Resolution approved
In a brief Town Board Liaison report, Mr. Goldman said the Town has finally closed on the old
church in Jacksonville.
Ms. Schneider MADE the MOTION to adjourn the meeting, and Mr. LeWalter SECONDED the
MOTION. The motion was unanimously carried.
Meeting adjourned at 9:07 p.m.
Respectfully submitted by Louis A. DiPietro II on August 7, 2017.