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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2010-04-28-LZ TOWN OF ULYSSES LAKEFRONT ZONING COMMITTEE 04/28/10 APPROVED 05/12/10 NOTE : The audio version of this meeting is on tape available for review at Ulysses Town Hall, 10 Elm Street, Trumansburg, NY. Present : Chairperson- Don Smith, Board Members : Krys Cail, Rod Hawkes, George Tselekis, John Wertis Excused : Terry Cool, David Kerness, Mr. Smith called the meeting to order at 7 : 00 pm. 1 . Old Business from last meeting : Review/Approval of minutes- Mr. Wertis MADE the MOTION, Mr. Tselekis SECONDED the MOTION to approve the MINUTES of 04/ 14/ 10 as presented. The vote was unanimous, Minutes Approved. Loose ends : Mr. Smith asked if there were any other loose ends from the last meeting. Ms. Cail stated they were asked to review Section 1 . 3 however due to Mr. Cool not being present suspected this group would not be discussing. Mr. Smith stated this group would not be discussing this tonight. He stated they would continue onto Section 1 . 5 y Ms . Cail replied that would be fine. She wanted to wait until she found out what the Conservation Zone would list for lot area and yard requirements . She did go to that meeting, and seeing as there are two on that committee there are only two that do not have that information. She provided maps for Mr. Hawkes to display on his computer for the groups viewing. She also provided the Conservation Zone/Residential Zone Setbacks for comparison. Conservation Zone Residential Zone Minimum Lot 5 acres 2 acres Minimum Lot Width 300 feet 250 feet Minimum Lot Depth 450 feet 250 feet Minimum front setbacks 75 feet 50 feet Minimum side setbacks 50 feet 15/25 feet Minimum rear setbacks 50 feet 35 feet Mr. Hawkes displayed the first map which displayed the US Census 2000 Urbanized Area. Ms . Cail noted the lakeshore zone is in the Ithaca Urbanized area. It would be a subjective reference they could use for establishment of the Conservation Zone. This area runs up Route 89 and Route 96 . She distributed the setbacks comparison. Mr. Tselekis noted that in the Lakefront zone there are many properties that are not even 2 acres. Mr. Smith noted Ms . Cail had spent a lot of time, he asked her to make suggestions . Ms . Cail said they should come up with a clear picture of what development they want. Once that is done they could establish setbacks . In her perspective there is inadequate access to the lake in undeveloped areas . There are conditions that make it difficult e. g. lots of cliffs . She referenced the urbanized area map . The entirety of the lakeshore zone is . . . Lakefront Zoning Meeting 2 04/28/2010 Ms . Cail said they should come up with a clear picture of what development they want. Once that is done they could establish setbacks . In her perspective there is inadequate access to the lake in undeveloped areas . There are conditions that make it difficult e. g. lots of cliffs . She referenced the urbanized area map . The entirety of the lakeshore zone is in the urbanized zone up to the park. Ithaca does not have an urbanized zone but this describes density of population. The next map displayed the large parcels . The members continued to review the maps, how these were relevant to what they were doing and what lesson they are trying to get from the maps . Rational for the setbacks, the conservation zone process, the number of lots that would be 2/3/4/5 acres was discussed. A lengthy discussion ensued with Ms. Cail discussing the need for maps, her inability to provide free services to the Town, the need to hire a professional planner and not wanting to have happen to her what happened to Ms . Ritter at the Planning Board Public Information Session Thursday evening. This group has never done zoning and they are not qualified to write zoning. She would need at the very least to write the Design Standards maps that show the following: 1 . Buffers 50 feet and 100 feet/Streams 2 . UNA ' s with slopes 3 . Color coded by acreage She presented information from the Appalachian Trail area and the Skaneateles area. A discussion was held regarding using portions of their zoning for this area. Skaneateles has the most strict: in the state they have also won court cases and individuals were forced to take their property down. This was not a viable option per Ms. Cail . She read from the Skaneateles zone due to not having an available printer at home . Ms . Carlisle Peck offered to have member email her the documents they would like to share at meetings . She would be happy to print the number of copies they would require. The group discussed the acreage size of lots in this zone, a quick review by Mr. Wertis on data prepared by Mr. Coogan noted estimated 48 parcels greater than 2 acres and 9 parcels greater than 5 acres. Mr. Smith asked to take a straw poll of members regarding their desire to have 1 acre, 2 acre or 5 acre lots as a minimum. Mr. Smith stated 1 acre, Mr. Wertis stated 2 acre without a second principal dwelling, and Ms . Call stated she could not vote. It would be difficult to make decisions without adequate numbers she would abstain from all votes if this is how the committee is forced to work. She does not feel this committee is studying this with sufficient professional help, they are using an axe vs . a scalpel and this Town can afford to hire a professional . Mr. Smith explained that this committee does not have a budget. He appreciated the desire to have maps however he is not sure the cost is warranted at this point in time . He requested Ms. Cail direct her question to Ms . Poelvoorde or Ms . Marino . It was noted this is GIS information that is readily at hand, unfortunately Ulysses does not have these programs thus is dependent on the County GIS Specialist, they do charge us for these maps . The Planning Board has used Sharon Heller at the County to do this work. The cost is not known but the Planning Board was charged. Mr. Smith presented information he had gathered regarding rentals . He stated he spoke to • Judy Breslinger, from the Planning Federation who stated this is a complex area. They cannot differentiate between renters and residents . Canandaigua has addressed this area for a year and concluded there is limited action they can take. Options for this Board would be to limit specific areas e.g. Noise, length of rentals (30 day minimum), unrelated to owner. The members discussed the rentals in Ulysses vs . Ithaca. This is an issue for the Town of Ithaca but is it in fact an issue for Ulysses . There are some people who use the rental income to cover the taxes so they can retain the "family home" for generations . Lakefront Zoning Meeting 3 04/28/2010 Mr. Smith adjourned the meeting at 8 : 55 pm. The next meeting scheduled for May 12th at 7 : 00 pm . Respectfully submitted, Robin Carlisle Peck Secretary