HomeMy WebLinkAbout2006-04-24 - TB Town of Ulysses
Special Board Meeting
4/24/2006
PRESENT : Supervisor Doug Austic , Councilpeople Rod Ferrentino, Don Ellis, Roxanne
Marino, and Lucia Tyler. Town Clerk Marsha Georgia, Deputy Supervisor Dick Coogan,
and Town Engineer Eric Pond .
ALSO PRESENT : Michelle Burk, Jane Peck, Sue Poelvoorde, Lee Scott, Jim Dennis,
Lee LaBuff, Carolyn Duddleston, Doug Duddleston, Ron Loz, Jackie Merwin, Barry
Hayes, Joanne Molino, David Filiberto , and Bill Chaisson of the Trumansburg Free
Press .
RECORDING MINUTES : Marsha Georgia, Ulysses Town Clerk.
The meeting was called to order at 7 : 00 pm.
Engineer Eric Pond began by reviewing the history surrounding the proposed Water
District #5 , and describing the current proposal . Pond added that the testing of various
options was a necessary step , and he believes the current plan is a sensible route to pursue
and the current proposal will be a viable and fundable project, although there is still a
good deal of work ahead .
The Town Board and Pond discussed the alternative suggested on April 3rd of routing
water to the State Park through the Village system . Pond explained this would require
installation of pumps, and also noted that the proposal calls for a controlled, i . e.
emergency, interconnection between the Bolton Point and Trumansburg water systems
and Bolton Point may not be amenable to a continuous co-mingling of water from the
two systems . Pond noted this alternative is not impossible, but could be difficult to
manage. Pond observed that he is not sure why the Village put in pumps without
increasing the water pressure in the system. Rod Ferrentino explained installation of
pumps adequate to accomplish system wide pressure increases would have necessitated
the installation of pressure regulation valves throughout much of the Village system.
In answer to a query, Rod Ferrentino stated there are water quality and pressure problems
within the Rabbit Run Road area ( the proposed route to the State Park) as well as along
Route 96 outside the Village.
A question was posed as to whether it might be feasible to route the water mains behind
Smith Woods and down to the State Park. Pond explained it is best to stay within rights
of way and also that this area probably has a fairly low population density, making the
cost per equivalent dwelling unit much higher.
Discussion ensued concerning the development potential of this area and any parts of the
Town to be served by the water district . Don Ellis stated he believes the Town Board
needs to do something more affirmative on this matter than just stating, "not much will
happen. " Ellis suggested identifying the concerns about development, discussing means
of addressing each concern, and setting forth a plan to do so . Eric Pond explained the
process of water main planning and design includes identification and consideration of
concerns regarding wetlands, archaeology and hardwoods . Pond noted that these
concerns are regulated by State agencies, and described the NYSDEC ' s policies for
addressing wetlands concerns as an example.
The Town Board and Pond next discussed the full scope of the project, as it is currently
proposed. Pond explained he estimates the Project would receive a DWSRF score of at
least 170 points, which is a good score that he believes, would be eligible for no-interest
financing through DWSRF .
Doug Austic asked if the addition of more area to the Project scope would destroy the
fiscal viability of the Project . Pond answered that it would not if the project accomplished
the same essential objectives and was substantially the same. Austic later asked how
much of a change the Department of Health would accept. Pond explained his experience
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is the DOH tends to accept trade-offs in scope where the revised Project will still
accomplish the key goals . Pond also noted that addition to the scope of a Project will not
cause the project budget, as listed in DWSRF ' s Intended Use Plan, to increase, although
the Town could pursue additional funding sources if it wished to go beyond the scope of
the original project and needed additional funding to do so .
Roxanne Marino asked if this combination is the only one that would get the 170 points .
Pond answered Alternative #4 might be ranked at or above 170 points if he argues with
the Department of Health. Pond also explained that the 170-point estimate he associated
with the full scope for the project is a safe minimum ; this project could be worth over 200
points .
Don Ellis asked what Pond would expect to happen with respect to Auble ' s Leisure
Living Manufactured Home Park. Pond stated he believes the decision to connect or not
would be up to the owner of the Park. Roxanne Marino asked who from the
Manufactured Home Park would be eligible to vote in a referendum. Pond replied, in his
experience, there is generally one vote per parcel of land . . .
Eric Pond briefly reviewed the per-household cost estimates and he and Doug Austic
responded to questions posed by Ms. Tyler and the Town Board concerning operations
and maintenance cost calculation and whether the estimates are adequate in this respect.
In this discussion, Pond stated that the Town and State Park need to determine and agree
to the scope of the Town ' s responsibility for the Park ' s water system . Pond suggested
having the Town listed as the Operator of Record for the Park ' s system, meaning that the
Town would be legally responsible for testing and delivery of potable water but not
necessarily for the work associated with system repairs and maintenance.
Don Ellis asked how much Pond expects the archaeological study to cost, and Pond
answered the Water District #3 study cost about $ 13 ,000 . Pond explained the
Archaeology Study process, noting that he would estimate completion of both a Phase 1A
and Phase 1B archaeological study would cost between $20,000 and $25 ,000; this cost
could easily double if a Phase 2 study is needed. Ellis asked at what stage of the project
the archaeological study is conducted, and Pond explained the Phase 1A is usually done
during the Map, Plan & Report development phase and the intention to proceed with a
Phase 1B is set forth in this document and is conducted after the Map, Plan & Report is
complete. Pond added that the archaeological study work to be undertaken is identified in
the SEQR SERP .
Eric Pond briefly discussed the process for obtaining short-term funding through
DWSRF. Pond explained, basically, the Town would need a Map, Plan & Report, the
district to be formed, a bond resolution, and a complete DWSRF application in order to
close on short-term financing. Discussion of the costs and timeframes associated with
these steps ensued . Pond estimated that the Town will have to pay an additional $ 10,000
to $20,000 before these steps are accomplished and a total of about $25 , 000 before the
district is formed, after which the costs can be levied to the District. . .
Eric Pond next discussed DWSRF as a funding source, noting it is in his opinion the best
bet for project financing and has a more achievable threshold for funding than other
sources. The Town Board and Pond briefly discussed the option of undertaking an
income survey.
Don Ellis expressed concern about not spreading DWSRF funds evenly throughout the
geographic area of the project. Ellis expressed particular concern over the appropriation
of funding that will benefit the Village of Trumansburg, noting the Town needs to study
what Village residents pay for their water service and the Town needs to engage the
Village in the project. Pond stated the average Village homeowner' s water cost as of last
year was $245 . 50 .
Noting the financing term for Water District #3 was reduced mid-project from 30 years to
20 years, Don Ellis inquired about the risk of this happening with Water District #5 . Eric
Pond explained that 20 years was the figure stated in the Hardship Letter for Water
District #3 , and that it was determined the loan could be paid off affordably even with the
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shorter term. Pond added that DWSRF is the most reliably stable funding source. Ellis
noted this means, however, that DWSRF ' s policies could change mid-project or mid-
payback-term .
Ms . Tyler posed a question as to what will happen if gasoline costs sky rocket causing the
Project to go over budget . Eric Pond explained the project budget does include 3 % for
contingencies and stated, if this is not adequate, the Town can request more money. In his
experience, Pond noted, such requests would be granted if reasonable and substantiated.
Don Ellis asked Eric Pond about communication of project information to the residents of
the proposed project area. Pond noted the means of communication is up to the Town
Board and he will do what they direct in this area. Pond also explained that he will seek
to set forth clear, thorough and well-divided cost estimates with illustrations and
explanations to as many affected residents as possible . Pond added that Ulysses has the
particular benefit of having the real and recent figures from Water District #3 to give
residents recent and local examples and costs .
Eric Pond then reviewed Alternatives 1 — 5 . Alternative # 1 includes the State Park and
interconnection with the Village of Trumansburg ' s water system . This alternative
involves installation of approximately 3 . 8 miles of water main, would serve
approximately 112 E .D .U. ' s, and is estimated to cost $ 119,255 total, or approximately
$ 1 ,065 per EDU, annually. This option can be expected to score 100 to, perhaps, 120
points and is therefore unlikely to qualify for hardship funding through DWSRF.
Alternative #2 adds those areas along Waterburg Road and Curry Road that are currently
served by the Village of Trumansburg ' s Water System to the scope of Alternative# 1 . This
alternative would entail installation of approximately 6 . 6 miles of water main, would
serve approximately 236 E .D .U. ' s, and would cost approximately $ 189, 888 total or about
$ 805 per E .D .U. annually. Pond stated this alternative would be likely to score between
100 and 140 points, and could come very close to either side of eligibility for hardship
financing.
Alternative #3 adds a loop for Searsburg, Curry and Route 227 to the combination of
Alternatives 1 and 2 , entails installation of approximately 8 . 9 miles of water main, would
serve approximately 287 E .D .U. ' s , and would cost an estimated $236,286 , or about $ 823
per E . D .U. annually. Pond stated this alternative also would be likely to score in the
vicinity of 145 points, and therefore also could fall on either side of the line for hardship
financing.
Alternative #4 goes along Rabbit Run and along Taugharmock Creek Road to connect the
Park eliminating service areas of Alternatives 1 -3 , entails installation of approximately
11 . 1 miles of water main, would serve approximately 313 E . D .U. ' s, and is estimated to
cost a total of $269,310, or about $ 861 per E . D .U. annually and score approximately 150
points .
Alternative #5 is the summation of Alternatives 1 -4 ( including Leisure Living Park) plus,
would entail installation of approximately 13 . 9 miles of water main, and would serve
approximately 450 E . D . U. ' s, is estimated to cost a total of $ 346,421 , or approximately
$ 770 per E.D .U. annually. This project can be expected to score a minimum of 170
points, which is a solid point score for hardship financing eligibility.
Rod Ferrentino observed that Alternative #3 seems like the minimum project that is
worth undertaking. Don Ellis asked if it would make sense to follow Falls Road from the
Village to the State Park. Eric Pond explained that Falls Road is not on the Health
Department ' s radar screen as a problem area. Roxanne Marino asked how the Health
Department becomes aware of well water problems — by complaint tracking or by large-
scale routine monitoring. Pond answered complaint tracking is the primary means by
which problems come to the Health Department ' s attention .
Further discussion ensued as to how the costs estimates are calculated.
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Don Ellis stated the Town Board needs to discuss costs, risks and impacts, noting that
discussion of the impacts to date has been very limited and this is a very important issue.
The Town Board asked Eric Pond to provide the Town with hard and electronic versions
of the map showing the various alternatives and an electronic version of the Power Point
presentation used tonight.
Doug Austic opened the floor to questions and comments from the public .
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Ron Loz asked if the poor water quality in the Waterburg area has been taken into
account, and received an affirmative answer. Loz stated the discussion of the impacts on
development caused by water service extension would be interesting.
An unidentified member of the audience asked if the Town Board will be scheduling
public information meetings. Doug Austic answered yes ; he hopes to set the schedule for
these at the next Town Board Meeting.
A comment was made that, in considering the advantages and disadvantages of extending
water to each of the proposed areas, the Town Board should find out which areas actually
want municipal water.
An unidentified member of the audience asked if water service would extend to the
Seneca County side of Auble ' s Manufactured Home Park if that area is included in the
Project. Doug Austic replied there would need to be an agreement with the Town of
Covert and with Bolton Point for that to be possible, and this is currently an unknown.
Eric Pond added the current assumption is that the Town of Covert side of the Park will
not be served by Water District #5 .
Roxanne Marino asked if there are any known issues from Bolton Point or the Town of
Ithaca with supplying water to Trumansburg. Doug Austic answered he understands
Bolton Point will not supply Trumansburg completely, but is amenable to serving as a
back-up supply for the State Park and Trumansburg. Marino stated this should be
explored because the individual she spoke to in the Department of Health office advised
that this would be a very obvious change. Marino strongly suggested the Town Board
determine whether this option will be pursued immediately or in the long run. Austic
explained this would not be feasible and, besides, would be the Village ' s decision. Eric
Pond noted the present set up — where Trumansburg operates its own water system — is
more economical than it would be to use Bolton Point as its primary source . Marino
acknowledged, but stated wells do run dry and therefore it would be wise to consider
whether this might be pursued in the future. Eric Pond noted DWSRF has emergency
financing available that would allow the Village to connect to Bolton Point quickly in the
event that its primary source ceased to be sufficient.
Eric Pond concluded by stating this is, in his opinion, a viable Project and that many
projects never reach this point. To him, the work ahead is a matter of going through the
various hoops .
An unidentified member of the audience asked if the Town Board is aware of any formal
petitions circulating. Doug Austic answered no, and noted petitions would have to be
initiated and undertaken by the public .
Hearing no further comments, questions or discussion, Don Ellis moved to adjourn the
meeting. Doug Austic seconded.
Austic aye
Ferrentino aye
Ellis aye
Marino aye
Tyler aye
The motion carried, and the meeting adjourned at 9 :45 pm.
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Respectfully Submitted,
Marsha Georgia
Ulysses Town Clerk
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