HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003-08-05 - TB TOWN OF ULYSSES
JOINT TOWN BOARD / PLANNING BOARD
AUGUST 5, 2003
Present: Supervisor Austic ; Planning Chairman Coogan ; Town Board Members Carolyn
Duddleston and Lee Scott; Planning Board Members Rose Hilbert, George Kennedy and
Rod Porter : Town Clerk Marsha L . Georgia; Sharon Anderson Mediator. Lorren
Hammond Planning Board Member arrived late .
Finger Lakes Region Water Protection Plan
George Kennedy invited Jason Haremza from the Genesee/Finger Lakes Regional Council to address the
Board. Jason was late George Kennedy read the following into record.
Watershed protection plans identify priority actions needed to protect and improve water
quality including Capital projects and local development controls building on this water.
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The Genesee Finger Lakes Region planning council will development specific water
quality control laws and/or ordinances for local governments within the Cayuga,
Canadaigua Lake watersheds,
• 53 Towns
• 12 villages
• 2 cities
located in parts of ten counties in these three watersheds . Key communities within each
water shed will be identified. Council will prepare a manual of bottled local laws and
case studies to reduce water pollution from non-point sources as a resource for local
government. Council will do a series of workshops throughout the states great lakes
watersheds to stress the importance of local development controls as a means for
addressing non-point sources of pollution as well as to provide examples of local laws
and controls appropriate to a variety of local circumstances . Completion of project is
anticipated by June 2004 .
Jason Haremza arrived and handed out information on the project description. Mr.
Haremza stated that the Council is going to focus on Ulysses first because of the revision
of the ordinance, which he has a copy of. He wanted to stress that the Council does not
want to force any regulations on any town or village that does not want them, so we are
looking for active participants and partners in this project that want to improve their local
codes to ultimately improve the water quality. He reported that time and budget is
limited to approximately 12 on the low end and as high as 14 out of the 52 municipalities
watersheds . Reviewing the codes for all municipalities for types of ordinances . Will look
at zoning regulations such as where areas zoned for higher intensive developments are,
where proposing industrial and commercial zones , higher density residential zones, 2
families, are those areas more susceptible to erosion. Will not only look at the zoning
regulations but how those regulations actually are arranged on the map .
Mr. Austic suggested that Mr. Haremza read the zoning ordinance that the Town is
proposing, see what is proposed and make suggestions at this point. There are some
provisions in place for set backs from steams, buffer areas and those kind of things . If
after reviewing you don ' t think these are large enough we would like to know that. He
does not think that the commercial zones are in places that are going to be a problem or
the higher density. The major area that is zoned for rural residential, which is the larger
lots, is nearer to the lake so the idea was to keep density down in that area. A lot of the
things you have discussed hear are better served by, like the water craft and the timbering
and that kind of thing, a local law. A local law would be a broader thing than a zoning
ordinance . Mr. Austic thanked him and would appreciate any comments .
Chairman Coogan made a statement that the Planning Board met back on Saturday
March 22nd and at that time the Planning Board and the Town Board thought there was a
draft of the ordinance that the Planning Board could review independently figure out,
content wise, were okay and something that they could live with and the Planning Board
agreed at this time that once we said a section was okay they would stand by that unless
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the Town Board made substantial changes to the section. 6 members were present and
agreed to proceed and get things done.
Ms . Anderson suggested reviewing the sections that had been changed.
Article I — okay
Article II
2 . 10 subparagraph 4 . Planning board felt the correct legal term was "thread not center
line of stream". Supervisor stated that if someone were measuring it would be easier.
Left as centerline . No change .
2 . 15 . Discussion concluded to note that it would say "any lot of 2 acres or more" for
minimum zoning from health department rules.
Article III — Definitions
Mr. Austic suggested that if any member has a better definition that they could submit it
in writing to be reviewed and considered.
Adult Care Group -
Wording changed to read "The care, protection and supervision at least twice a week, not
more than six (6) but not more than twelve ( 12) adults at any time by a resident of the
dwelling, for a fee . "
Adult Care Center -
Discussion of Adult and Child Care Centers will be written up by? and circulate for all to
see if acceptable of all the groupings of the same nature.
Occupation -
Dick to come up with a suggestion for a better definition. There are questions on this but
will wait till Dick works something up and gets it to everyone.
Airstrips -
Definition needed for Airstrips . In what section would an airstrip be appropriate?
Agricultural Commerce -
Add in princely after or products .
Caterer
Move for hire to be placed after or enterprise.
Farm
Discussed the definition — it was decided that the gross sales value would be set at ten
thousand and remove fifty.
Handicapped
Was previously changed to Physically challenged — it was decided to be changed to
Persons with Disabilities
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Discussion went on about the difference of Motel and Lodging house. A lodging house
would be 15 or less with no outside exits . According to George they cannot find where a
lodging house would be allowed in their district. It is not listed as an allowable use . There
is a gap between a B &B , Hotel and Motel .
B&B
You have to live there and its 10 or fewer people.
Lodging House —
10 — 14 people whether you live there or not . They will not address whether they live
there or not. This bridges the gap between B &B and Motel and Hotel .
Need to change definition from " 15 or less" to " 15 or fewer" .
Mobile Homes -
Keep definition as is . Put back definition that was taken out .
Lot Coverage -
Need to include "impervious" between similar and surfaces .
Deal with lot percentages in the districts .
Project Site -
Add a definition for this .
Question on acreage that a project is being developed on .
Residential Care Assisted Living Facilities -
Change title to read " Residential Care/Assisted Living/Rehabilitation Facilities" .
Research and Development Enterprise—
Definition is OK as is .
Question is where is that allowed . Town Board was to check to see what zone this is in.
George suggests that what would be allowed is light industry.
Roadside Stands
Are there any permanent accessory structures and setbacks related to roadside stands?
Discussion suggested that if it is a permanent structure than it needs to conform to the
normal setback requirements . If it is a temporary structure than it needs to come down
when that activity ends .
Remove "erected or placed" after feet in size.
Sawmill
Delete the word planning and replace with planing .
Setback —
• Take out the word "or" . Made two sentences . Put a period after "properly line" . Add
new sentence is "The highway right of way shall be deemed the property line for
purposes of setback".
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Sign -
Remove the word visible in the last sentence
Skirting -
Change as required to "As defined by NYS code . . . "
Zoning District
Correct typo in zoning district on 3" 1 line after the word "spaces" there is an "or" and it
needs to be "are" . And "opens" should be "open".
Article V - Special Agricultural District
Under 5 . 3 Permitted Accessory Uses — Tempory building or structure was added
previously — within that remove residential purposes — if this is in any other section
remove there also . It was decided that this should go in the definitions under "tempory
building or structure" (George Frantz will do a better definition than what is here) than
only tempory building or structure would be under article 5 . 3
Article VII - Rural Residential District -
7 . 3 family adult care should be added .
7 . 5 First sentence — change one principal building to (2) two principal buildings
Mr. Austic stated that it would be spelled out with similar wording like the following
where it is needed "if side by side buildings, the distance between the buildings have to
be twice the required side yard" . If the buildings are front to back the setback has to be
the front yard and back yard combination.
Professional Office -
All in agreement to leave the concept as is .
A discussion went on about the difference between and home occupation and what would
be allowed :
Special Permit — It happens possibly with some restrictions .
Special Exception — The person comes in and makes the case for it.
It is concussing home occupation, professional office, and cottage industry. Mr. Coogan
is going to do some work on these definitions and come back with it . Ms . Poelvoorde
stated than professional offices would be moved to whether it is special exception or site
plan review. She stated that professional office defiantly is bigger and should be site plan
review .
It still would make a difference as to how many employs — a professional office of one
professional could be a home occupation.
Wait until Dick redoes the definitions .
Article VIII — Multiple Residence District
Previously removed will be put back in.
Article IX - Manufacturer Home Park District
Discussion went on if they should take the existing areas and give them reasonable room
to gro w or
should they e take
the dis
tricts and
give them room for expansion.
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Suggestion was to make existing parks the district and leave 9 . 2 .
Further discussion needed on this at next meeting, which was scheduled for August 13 at
6 : 30 PM .
Meeting adjourned at 9 : 45 PM .