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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-06-25 - PB c6C) Town of Ulysses Joint Master Plan / Planning Board Meeting / Town Board June 25, 1996 Present : Peter Penniman, Carolyn Duddleston, David Tyler, Katherine Stover, Alex Rachun, Doug Austic Also Present : Grace Wolf - from the Trumansburg Free Press The meeting came to order at 7 : 30 pm.. • Mr. Austic stated that he has met with the mayor of Ithaca and several town supervisors and they are interested in providing water and sewer if they have the tax advantages. He has also spoken. with Ken ONeil who specializes in real estate procurement and engineering for several large developers such as Wegmans . He said that when they are out looking at land they look for 10 acres minimum but would prefer 10 to 20 . The reason being that now they like to include a bank etc . so his suggestion is to consider this in making your parcel sizes . They then discussed that the Town Board should possibly make an agreement with the City of Ithaca concerning water and sewer while they are willing to do so . There was then a lengthy discussion concerning water supply and the existing tank as well as other sources of water. There was discussion about the presence of a village representative at the planning meetings . Mr. Austic asked Mr. Tyler to explain the results of the last meeting concerning the home occupation definition . Mr. Tyler noted that there was discussion at the last meeting about the definition of residential home occupation. He has made copies of the material he had mentioned at the last meeting that could be of use in defining some of these areas . They had presented this to the Town Board several years ago this document is being presented for information only. Mr. Austic noted that when the master plan is finished there will have to be some zoning changes to make whatever they do usable . They then discussed the order that these decisions need to be made in and the classifications primary secondary ect . Mr. Austic asked what a B- 1 classification would be Mr. Tyler answered that it would be professional offices etc .They discussed the different levels of impact and the intensity of the activities in those areas . Mr. Austic asked what the current status of the on the plan is ? Mr.Tyler answered that he understood that there wasn't provision for a variety of land uses so they were trying to elaborate . There was then a lengthy discussion about agricultural areas ,their uses and tax advantages.They examined a map showing the agricultural districts and discussed that there is only one . Mr. Austic asked if they will be including industrial with commercial or have it separate ? Mr. Penniman stated that the idea of breaking everything down is to define it the when creating zones to allow multiple categories within certain zones . There was a discussion concerning schools and the impact that they would incur in a neighborhood and the possibility of a use permit, for schools . They discussed the lot size etc . 40 . \C ;N\ Mr. Austic stated that he could see high density housing on the bottom part of the Auble lot It was discussed that was already planned for that area . Mr. Rachun stated that on Duboise Rd. there is a 100 acre lot for sale that would be a great high density area. Mr. Tyler mention that Mr. Christensen in Perry City has some possible high density property. Mr. Rachun noted that if the comprehensive planning committee feels uncomfortable with the commercial build out. on Rte. 96, he would suggest that they keep that build out as commercial not grandfather it in as a non conforming use, and look at those areas for hubs . He feels that the existing business should not be penalized because of the fear of strip zoning . There was a discussion about using the existing business as hubs for future business ' s . The following were named as possible hubs . 1 .Vandorns Perry City area. • 2 . Kline Stover area 3 . Rosettis Mr.Rachun stated that the concern is that you have Routes 96 , 89 and 227 as the three major arteries that lend themselves to strip zoning, as opposed to block zoning . He suggested that what you may possibly do is to develop these areas in a way that will not create a negative visual appearance, while still planning for future growth and development . He noted that he feels that there is a need for more commercial growth on the Master Plan for the Rte. 96 area without strip zoning. There was a discussion about the benefits of keeping the present business going and encouraging them to expand in the community. Alex Rachun stated that he has met with the individual who is purchasing the old Cayuga Motel property and went on to tell about the plans for a resort on that site . They discussed the water supplies on that site and. Alex Rachun stated that they has wells on the site. There was a lengthy discussion about the existing businesses along Rte. 96 and the intersections that would lend themselves to a build out.. David Tyler stated that he feels they should focus on infrastructure. They discussed Aubles water supply and the water supply to Seafuse and the cost of forming a water district . Alex Rachun noted that there is no reason you cant zone or do a comprehensive plan without infrastructure and that you may have a developer come in and help to provide it. They went on to discuss the possibilities of Rte. 89 being the site of possible build out . Doug Austic stated that the Town/City of Ithaca and the people at Bolton Point are interested in providing water/sewer. He suggests that an agreement can be reached even though it may not be used for ten years, and that it should be irrevocable so that if a developer becomes available the Town can state that they have this agreement in place already without taking two years to make an agreement . Peter Penniman asked if Doug would be following up on the water/sewer issue. Doug Austic answered yes they would be meeting again in August . Katherine Stover asked who they would be dealing with ? Doug Austic answered that you would be buying water from Ithaca.He noted that the feeling is that in the southern end of Tompkins county there is a need for development to attract people to the city. He noted that they have plans to build a four lane Rd. from Ithaca to Cortland. S 92s;;/IT &2 y p.._ P 13 • I J3 ` Doug Austic asked what the Master Plan committees next step is ? Carolyn Duddleston noted that they had made the comment at the last meeting that it would be quite some time to see a finished product. Alex noted that they are taking Bruces Wilsons advise and are working on the zone definitions for overlay zones . There was a discussion about setting a time frame to try and get things moving at a better pace. Alex Rachun asked Doug if he could speak to Bruce who may have confused the board some because last week they were talking about creating a lot of use definitions and putting them into the overlay zones. He would suggest that perhaps Bruce could clarify his statements and suggest that they concentrate on the industrial, agricultural, residential . Alex Rachun stated that at the last meeting he asked (and he quoted from the minutes) . When the comprehensive planning board finishes the defining the zones B- 1 ,B-2 ,B-3 what happens • next? He stated that the impetus of that question was that he feels they are doing the zoning already, and he feels that the planning board should do the zoning. He stated that Sue Poelvorde said that it doesn't go to the Planning Board, it goes to the Town Board . Alex noted that he replied that the comprehensive plan should be sent to the town board for approval, then it should go back to the Planning Board and the Planning Board should put in the B- 1 ,B-2,B-3 etc they should do the zoning. He feels that the Comprehensive Planning committee should be doing a general comprehensive plan of business, industrial, residential and then the Planning Board looks at it and may recommend changes. Carolyn Duddleston asked if they could accept the document as they have written it and do the map themselves ? Doug Austic answered that they could do that once the glossary is finished, and he suggested that they have them do so . Alex Rachun stated that the Town Board could direct the Planning Board to do the map at this time and that the comprehensive plan has already been put together. He feels that the comprehensive planning committee should do the map but it seems to be stalled out . Peter Penniman suggested that they need to specify the amount of acreage for each type of use . They decided that 1 1/2 % should be designated as industrial /commercial. They then decided that by the end of July they would like to see the glossary completed. The meeting was concluded at 9 : 05 pm. Respectfully Submitted; Julie Kraus