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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-07-12 - PB 9q PLANNING BOARD MEETING TOWN OF ULYSSES JULY 12 , 1993 TOWN HALL PRESENT : Acting Chairwoman : Krys Cail ; Planning Board Members : Dan Smith and Gregg Hoffmire ; Secretary : Roxanne Smith . The Chairwoman called the meeting to order at 7 : 42 PM . S ince the Pleasant Grove Group were not present , it was decided t hat the agenda for the evening would be the breaking down of the Residential Zone . She suggested that each member describe how t hey would like to see it . Gregg stated that too much is better t han too little , at least in terms of being prepared for the future . A point that Krys found interesting is that usually for financing purposes if a house changes hands and there is agricultural property attached to it that won ' t be considered part of the financing of it , typically there is a maximum of 5 acres . The agricultural exemption applies to the earnings of a piece of property ( $ 10 , 000 . 00 ) not to the actual amount of acreage there is mentioned Dan . Krys liked the categories mentioned at the last Planning Board Meeting . The first is Residential - under 2 acres . She wondered if the second Residential should be 2 - 5 acres instead of 2 - 10 acres though , and the third ; Agricultural Residential would be 5 plus . She then stated that when she was looking for property there were not a lot of 5 - 10 acre parcels available . When they found more than 5 available it was frequently 35 or 40 acres . Krys wondered how multiple housing units would fit into the categories . Is there a guideline as to how much property has to be with a multi - unit queried Gregg ? Most of the units that have more property would have non -conforming uses and would not even be in the zone stated Krys . When you talk about establishing a zone you are probably talking about putting it close to the ✓ illage line . Krys asked how the zone should be based ; on the n umber of units or the amount of acreage . Gregg stated both . He listed single family up to 3 acres , then 3 plus should be a d ifferent category , 5 plus should be Agricultural . As to how many units should be allowed on a parcel he thought it should be d one tastefully . Sometimes it is almost self - regulating when you put the units so close because of the water needs stated Krys . Dan agreed with Gregg that it should be based on both the number o f units and the amount of acreage . Currently the way we have it • is you need minimum acreage said Krys . The members arrived at 2 attached units ( same structure ) per " X " amount of acreage ( amount of acreage is unknown presently ) . Krys thought that it p PLANNING BOA MtETINCI TOWN OF ULYSSES 'Z JULY 12 , 1993 would probably be consistent with the building code but they should check with Alex . The naming of the categories will be as follows : R1 , R2 , R3 and Al ( Agricultural Residential ) . The Al category will be set up as agricultural land including a house . Ideally if there is a tax break you will get it on the house said K rys . There are a lot of parcels with 20 - 30 acres of land with a house that do not engage in farming . Is it considered agricultural land asked Krys ? Do you want to call it Vacant land asked Gregg ? Gregg described agricultural land as actively worked crop land . Perhaps this should be another category . The u sual term applied is actively engaged in farming stated Dan . The activity the person engages in defines it said Krys . How about Recreational instead of Vacant asked Gregg ? That would t hen become consistent with the 2 - 10 category said Krys . Recreational / Vacant suggested Dan . We could say that you have to have at least 5 acres to build there . We could not say agricultural you have to farm to live there . The tax break is based on what you are doing not how you are zoned . Some may have t he agricultural exemption but live in a Residential zone . The e xemption is set up for those who own the property not rent it , and it is getting harder and harder to own property if you are a farmer stated Krys . The agricultural exemption is reviewed every year said Dan . It should be kept the way it is , permitted in all zones said Krys . The categories arrived at are as follows : R1 - up to 2 acres R2 - 2 plus acres ( no top end ) R3 - Multi Family - 3 plus units on 1 tax parcel If this is done intelligently then water districts will be formed said Krys . Discussion ensued concerning the amount of acreage that should be required for the R3 . Krys allowed that perhaps it would be okay to have it on a smaller piece ; especially if it was hooked into a water district . It would then become a " city type urban dwelling " said Krys . She suggested that if water was extended out past Shur Save someone could put in a senior community adult home like Juniper Manor . Dan could agree with that but would be against someone purchasing 3 acres n ext to him and putting up 2 units with the potential of apartments . He stated that the Trumansburg school district is ✓ ery attractive . A parent moves in with 2 children , pays $ 500 . 00 in taxes and it costs the school district $9500 . 00 per student a year . We can help control that by doing this properly . I 1 . 1 PLANNING BOARD MEETING 3 TOWN HALL JULY 12 , 1993 Dan suggested that perhaps the Master Plan Committee has solved this situation . Small lots of R3 could be allowed in Commercial because you are going to have B2s there . Just say Multi Family allowed in areas of less than 5 acres in Commercial Zones . Otherwise , Multi - Units ( R3 ) require 5 acres . Then 20 odd unit housing could be erected and people would be able to walk to the store , etc . Krys said that someday there would probably be water there so it would fit right in . This way you avoid Special Permits and appeals to the Zoning Board said Dan . There may be some additional areas to think about for R3s said K rys . In particular she was thinking about densely populated areas ; like the lake front along Glenwood Point . From a planning perspective that area could be redeveloped and condos could be put in . It would increase the tax base . Residential density could be addressed by saying a certain number of multi -unit parcels would be allowed in Commercial and in a high density area . All densities would then have to be defined ( low , medium and high ) stated Dan . Krys then asked if they were heading for two categories of Multi -Family Residential ? Dan said yes and that it would be an allowable use . We really have to think about t his ; not only about how many units are allowed per parcel but also should R3s be allowed adjacent to Commercial said Krys . It was decided that Daves ' expertise would be helpful . After the scheduled presentation of the Pleasant Grove Group at the next meeting the agenda should address Commercial stated K rys . Four categories were suggested ( 81 , B2 , 83 [ offices ] , B4 [ industrial ] ) . Dan made the motion to approve the minutes of the previous meeting , Gregg seconded . The minutes were approved unanimously . D an made the motion to adjourn the meeting , Gregg seconded , the meeting adjourned at 8 : 45 PM .