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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-05-17 - PB it TOWN OE ULYSSES PLANNING BOARD MEETING MAY 17 , 1993 TuWN HALL P RESENT : Chairman David Tyler ; Members .: Budd Stover , Krys Call , Gerri Keil , Dick Garner ; Secretary : Roxanne Smith . The Chairman called the meeting to order at 7 : 45 PM . The minutes from the May 3rd meeting were discussed . On page two , next to last paragraph , the first sentence should read " We have Monroe Square structure that Ls never going to meet com - mercial building standards stated Alex . Upon correcting the spelling of several business names ; Krys moved to approve the minutes . Rudd seconded and the minutes were confirmed unani - mously . David continued the discussion of the May 3rd meeting about t he Rt . 96 corridor . nick offered the thought that they as planners are looking at the community and the fact that there is a major road that goes through it . His question was what should that community look like and how much of it should be o n Rt . 96 , or elsewhere ? To make a decision they should have t he demographic studies available to them , as most planners do . Dick said he really didn ' t know what the community wanted . ( Whether they want a few mini - business areas with a lobe de - veloping off of that , or something else . ) Gerri said what the community wants is tax dollars . I don ' t see Jacksonville as a growing residential area said Krys . Things change where you place commercial though said Dick . It was always taken for granted that things would stay agricultural . People want to keep the rural feel of the commun - ity . Everyone is coming up with good questions , good observa - t ions . How do you take all that information and put it into some sort of a plan ? Krys ' s comment about the soil conditions around Jacksonville is important too , said Dick . David queried whether a public hearing might be an option . We do need input said Dick . Krys brought up the thought she has about the increase in traffic . Agriculture is not employing as many people and the State Mental Hospital and the army base are in question n ow , people will have to commute north or south to get to jobs . ( Changes in Seneca County along with increased business use o f the old hospital has incurred extra traffic . ) The jobs have moved away but people can ' t afford to re - locate said Dick . If w e had a re - development group that would meet to decide what types of businesses we want to attract based upon community needs that would give the planning board something to work with said Dick . We do have the antique shops as a draw said Krys . Tourism is big said Gerri . What could the village do to attract more t ourists asked David ? They could bury the overhead lines , he said . Gas lights volunteered Gerri . We could restore the village said DicK . You ' ve got the basis for something ti, at could be a real draw said David . That central theme for the village could help the planning board in their decisions for the rest of Rt . 96 . What could feed into that asked Dick ? We do have the wineries and the lakes mentioned Gerri . What do we foresee for nt . 96 in fifteen to twenty years from now reiterated David ? The hospital is a major asset said D ick . You ' ve got the recreational too . What is the status of t he Octopus asked Budd ? They ' re going to cut Rt . /19 from Rt . 96 , 16 TOWN OF ULYSSES 2 PLANNING BOAND MEETING MAY 17 , 1. 993 make a .5OO_ ronr_ 1 bridge that will go over behind the Station Restaurant and have it feed into Buffalo Street . ( Plan " B " ) There will be a lot of one way routes too . There will be an addition of just one bridge . Other congestion points that w eren ' t thought about will occur said Dick . You ' ll get them there quicker though . It is suppose to start in the spring o f ' 95 said David . Let ' s get back to the givens said David . The givens is '. hat we have a lot of commercial land that is not being used as commercial . I think we should ask that that be de - classified said Gerri , so that we have a clean slate . The houses that have businesses should be allowed to maintain them until they desire to revert to Residential . Once they return to Residen - tial they ' ll stay that way . Related businesses are so important . I worry about the Town and Country Inn . It ' s out there with no support of other businesses . How wild that restaurant be affected once the . business across the way starts up ? If it deteriorates will people want to come to a restaurant that is surrounded by a ✓ undown business asked Dick ? What I would like to see in a twenty year plan said Krys is a short extension of water and sewer lines ( from the village line to the Barangus ) , a decline in the speed limit before the dip whu: re the creek and the bridge is , and multi - family dwell - ings by the Town of Ithaca line . She supports David ' s suggest - ion of setting things back , having a buffer . The section of Clock and DeCloux might support neighborhood business along w ith Wilkens Rd . It ' s reasonable to believe that Trumansburg and Ithaca will provide enough grocery facilities . Small ham - lets aren ' t really centers of new residential growth said Krys . Gerri took issue with Krys over going as far as Barangus for the extension of a commercial district for a couple of ✓ easons . One reason is the dip in the road , another is because o f the creek being there . The east side of the road doesn ' t allow for much growth as the terrain is inappropriate . Aesthetic - ally it doesn ' t appeal said Dick . . The terrain ends at Maguire Ford said Budd . Where does this leave Pleasant Grove asked David ? From my perspective Pleasant Grove is in the middle , an area that we don ' t want to get more commercial said Krys . Right , if you go back too far said Gerri there won ' t be much land as it ' s a triangular piece . Characteristically , the drive to Trumansburg has always been n ice said Dick . The setting back of businesses has been very positive for safety and aesthetics said David . I ' m having a t ough time separating Rt . 96 from the community said Dick . One o f the points to consider said Krys is that the majoriity of the ✓ oads that run into Rt . 96 all come up at an angle . ( The section o f Wilkins Road and Krums Corner is a mess . ) The problem with H alsey Road is the dip said Gerri . • I think the Pleasant Grove Proposal should be brought in so we can look at it said Budd . What do you think of Rt . 96 t hough said David ? Everyone likes the rural feeling . Agriculture is not going to exist much longer in this town unless there is something done about the taxes . Maybe commercial won ' t be able t o help . You ' re going to have houses on all the agricultural land . That is an important point said David . Sure we have an agricultural exemption , hut it ' s not enough . Tt seems to be less every year . It is very difficult for people who farm part - t ime to qualify for it and their numbers are going down said K rys . Is our community willing to support the rural qualities we all want by paying more taxes asked David ? • TOWN OF ULYSSES 3 P LANNING BOARD MEETING MAY 17 , 1993 Gerri felt that Trumansburg should be considered a hub . Things should be done to encourage businesses there ( to main - tain them and re - generate them ) . Having water extend out to Maguire Ford would be fine , any further and it might diffuse Trumansburg . Commercial has been extended to the north end of the village . She sees no reason for there to be discussion about extending the commercial in any other direction for now . She sees two ccmmercial hubs now on Rt . 96 . If water availabil - ity comes up then there should be decisions made about more commercial districts . The talk of a B2 is not just about Pleasant Grove , but t he area around its Pleasant Grove is smack in the middle of t wo sources of water , said David . Even if you get the water to Jacksonville it still is quite a stretch to get it to the proposed area . If that irea becomes even more residential ( as Alex has indicated it might ) said Gerri , she would like to see it regulated so that even the residences are set back off the road . ( So it has an appearance of open space . ) Gerri then left for the evening ( it was 9 : 00 PM ) . David brought out the Pleasant Grove proposal for every - o ne to examine . Dick indicated that this might be a way for Alex to arrive at another 82 . David said if another B2 is n eeded why not change the Shur Save 81 into a B2 ? ( Then that area could be extended . ) Krys said she wanted to make it clear t hat she ' d like to scrap that area by the county home that n othing is being done about . Krys suggested that the Pleasant Grove group should be invited to discuss exactly what their intentions are . Roxanne will let Alex know that they need to be invited . The next Planning Board Meeting is on Tuesday , June 8th at the Village Hall at 7 : 30 PM . The second meeting for the month will be Monday , June 21st at the Town Hall , also at 7 : 30 PM . The meeting adjourned at 9 : 10 PM .