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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1993-05-03 - PB TOWN OF ULYSSES PLANNING BOARD MEETING MAY 3 , 1993 TOWN HALL PRESENT : Chairman David Tyler ; Members : Gregg Hoffmire , Gerry Keil , Budd Stcver , Krys Cail ; Building / 1 Zoning Officer Al x Rachun ; Secretary : Roxanne Smith . The Chairm n called the meeting to order at 7 : 40 P . M . The minutes of �'Xpril 19th meeting were discussed . The fol - lowing amendments . were made : the sixth paragraph down ( page 1 ) after the second sentence , the sentence " They would have one curb cut for multiple commercial use . " was added . On page 2 the first paragraph , the comment in parenthesis should state ( Of the existing commercial , on the east side , the topography is better than the west which has a depression within 100 f eet of the highway , and which is 100 feet deep and would need multiple curb cuts . ) The next to last paragraph on page 2 , the fir :tit sentence should have the addition of the word plan after rational . Krys made the motion for approval of t he minutes , Gerri seconded . The minutes were approved unan - imously . David asked the members to share their conclusions after analyzing the map of the Rt . 96 corridor . Gregg noticed that the Town of Ithaca down to the city is basically Residential ( except for the hospital , fire station and Candlewyck Park Apartments ) . He indicated undeveloped areas due to wetlands and the existing active commercial areas . Krys could not find Shur 5eive. located on the existing county map . The section that has the Barangus , Stover Lumber and Compton properties is a very large chunk . Realistically that is not all commer - cial stated Alex . The PUD also has land that is being farmed , a house , three garages , and a pond . The PUD included every - t hing . ( Alex would have had him come before the board when h e had his house built had he realized that . ) B udd indicated that at one time there was a reason why a lot of acreage was needed for a PUD . ( Though he could not remember it . ) That is why there is so much acreage in the Stover PUD on Gorge Road now . Regardless of the reasoning , K rys thought that the area might be an appropriate place for a 82 designation . It ' s close to Shur Save so it would be convenient for more than one stop . It is hard to visualize that area ( Shur Save , Maguire Ford , the bridge and on ) as a node said Gerri . If there were water extension it would be a conceivable distance said Krys . Other areas that might work are the section between Clock and DeCloux and the Drive - in she said . Krys Inquired about I-Ioltkamp ' s property on Rt . R9 . Would that be an area that no longer needs to be commercial ? That area is now Residential stated Alex . Rudd did not complete the map however he does have a concern about the housing development going in on Colegrove Road and one on Perry City Road ( which has 8 or 9 houses ) . There is a lack of water on Route 89 and now another housing area is being generated which has questionable water supply . They ought to be mindful of that . People are nc■w more sophis - ticated about water ( due to bank loans ) said David . G erri stated that thy:$ area where the Pleasant Grove proposal is is empty , just north of it it is too densely Res - gli TOWN OF ULYSSES 2 P LANNING BOARD MEETING MAY 311993 idential . visually it sits there in the middle of nowhere . With the housing development going in , the area will be great - ly impacted . Gerri indicated she would not put a B2 there . The look that Route 96 has in the area of the futon business , Alpine Machinery , the rest .turant and the trailer park should be avoided . It has all these residences inter :Apersed with it said Gerri . To look at that area as open space probably is not accurate as it is zoned Residential and there could theor - e tically be many more curb cuts said Alex . Alex said that wherever the B2 is placed he ' d like to see the curb cut servic - ing many businesses so that the speed limit on the corridor could be maintained . If the B2 was in the Pleasant Grove area you may have the same problem as the Sure Save where you accelerate after leaving the 30 MPR zone only to slow down for e ntry ( departure ) of the grocery store . The proximity to water may be the issue . It is not in - conceivable that water may be brought from Trumansburg to Jack - sonville said Krys . The Town of Ithaca is more than happy to extend water as long as we pay for it said Alex . The area o f Clock and DeCloux may then be more conceivable said Krys . Has the Town of Ulysses thought of creating their own water d istrict and running it themselves asked Budd ? I think they ' ve t hought about it but don ' t want to pay for it . Water is the tool that determines the way things go said David . The reality is that the Town of Ulysses needs more people to share the cost of the water stated Alex . David said that the approach he took to the Route 96 map was to ask himself several questions . The first question when looking at the map as it is now was did it arrive at its pre - sent state through any specific planning ? He felt it arrived h aphazardly . ( The Village down to the Town line . ) Alex said there were thoughts but they did not work . The second q uestion was do they want strip development on Rt . 96 ? If the answer is yes then it ' s probably safe to say leave it alone , it will follow the path of least resistance . People will build close to the road stick in a curb cut and go with it . However , Rt . 96 is a main artery . David feels negative towards strip development . He liked the idea of a node . He focused on the area from the Village line to the area of Taughannock Creek . That should be zoned B1 . He then continued pointing out other areas that might work . The area of the Barangus seems a logical place if properly planned , along with across from Stover Lumber and the auto shop , down to Ulysses Square . He skipped over P leasant Grove and went down to Rascal ' s . He took the exist - ing commercial zone and lopped it about a third . He then con - t inued down to Wilkins Rd . that has the Honda Shop and the pool business . He did not deal with • Clock and DeCloux or the Drive - in areas . To avoid congestion it might be good to have one curb cut servicing Shur Save , Ma, uire Ford and whatever goes up in between . He said he would not choose the Pleasant Grove B2 for h is first choice . Some subtle changes would be to set back businesses and minimize curb cuts . 5+ruc4urt � * have Monroe SquareAthat is never going to meet commer - ciaiAst & ndards stated Alex . The area across the road ( futon place ) could work possibly . Making the Drive - in area a B2 would not h ave a negative effect said Alex . Through the course of discussion the Dryden Road out past NYSEG kept coming up . David felt that Rt . 96 was in a different stage of the evolution ( perhaps 25 years earlier ) than that but t he two areas were analogous . The NYSEG is a large structure pleasingly done . The area beyond is in a non - stop trend . David 111 TOWN OF ULYSSES 3 PLANNING BOARD MEETING MAY 3 , 1993 asked the question what ' s your vision for Rt . 96 20 years from now ? That has to be considered before the Pleasant • Grove B2 he said . There are far more residences on this strip than currently on the Dryden strip said Alex . Overall Krys would like to see people have the business idea first and then go out and look for available land . Some of the areas in the commercial zones are already spoken for said Alex . The Pleasant Grove will eventually come in as a PUD if nothing Oise happens said Alex . The concept of the Pleasant Grove plan is great said David . The question is do we like where it is ? We need a mini - master plan for Rt . 96 . Once a solid concept has been developed then the Pleasant Grove B2 can be placed . The area that includes Sleeping Bear Futon , the ex - Redwood , Honda Pools , near Babcock struck Krys as an ideal area for multi - unit housing . ( Candlewyk Park is beyond that . ) The buses stop there said David . They have water too said Alex . The PleaSant Grove area has a lot of water said Alex . Gerri queried about the possibility of re - zoning that area , sort of like a trade - off . It would be a legislative decision said David . David requested that everyone try to think 20 years ahead and what they would like to see . Krys said it would be unreal - istic to not figure the water lines will be extended down the road . Let ' s see if we can come to a conclusion of this in two weeks ( the 17th of May ) said David . The meeting adjourned at 9 : 25 P . M .